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    Posted: 01 Nov. 09 at 17:14
This will likely only be of interest for those members using Sensation in their case-taking. The following list of words/gestures has been taken out of a patient's case of mine, who I had been seeing for 5 years with only mediocre improvements. I had used repertory, materia medica, miasms, nosodes - all to little avail. She returned after a long break, giving me more or less the same case, but over 3 sessions a picture appeared that I recognized now. Let me show you Smile  (All the non-source case material has been removed - this is purely a picture of the source not of the human patient)
 
It was remarkable to see what I had been missing all this time. When I went back over the case I could see some of these words, but I had never pursued. Instead I had pursued the case psychologically or generally.
 
Stuck, Tied to a boulder, Trapped, Straining to move, Immovable, Latch on, Rock
 
Shell that is buried in a rock, Cage, Hard, Stuck in it, All this rock pressing down on me, Locked myself in, Shell is holding me in
 
Crowded, Suffocated, Encroached, Cluttered, Wedged in, Closed in, Pressed on both sides, Hot warm space, Things in shells, Hot and wet
 
Crushed to death, Pressure, Wraps around me, Devoured, Mashed, Outer boundary comprimised, Scooped out, Carve out
 
Freedom, Open up, Open out, Open = Free
 
Pull back, Back off, Hold back, Push forward, Dragged, Swimming
 
Seeping out
 
Sitting duck
 
Vulnerable, Little, Tiny, Unprotected, Fear of getting hurt, Small, Goes all the way in, Frail
 
Clam up, Not letting myself open
 
Submerged
 
Empy shell. lifeless, dry
 
Pinned, restrained, Locked in, Contained
 
Twists within itself, Knot, Gnarl, Curling in on itself, Growth turned in on itself, Grows around in a circle
 
Carve your flesh, Cutting, Tearing, Chipping away
 
Missles at close range, Penetrate, Shoot, Explode, Thrust, Daggers, Arrows
 
Kill or be killed
 
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Hi David,

It would be interesting to see how the dance between sensation A, B and C happens in the case. (Not asking to post the case). I am not understanding that by "purely a picture of the source" you means C3 here? If it is, I would have to revise the following. 

Not sure about the "Sitting duck" (langage problem)? Is it the bird, so a predator here? or something else?


Obviously Mollusc as subkingdom. Not knowing that a rock borer, Petricola or Lithophaga exist as a remedy, I would look for others bivalvae, even if not much mention of closing (if not in opposition to open). Between Mussels and Oysters, I would choose Conch, because the "buried in rock, rock pressing down on me" which seem more specific to oysters with the accumulation of oysters through the years, levels after levels...

About the "twisting, curling on himself, growth turned on himself,etc... I hesitate a bit, but see it as subkingdom langage.

Please, precise if we are at C3 only, which I don't think

It is surely a hermetic langage, here, for many colleagues.

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So what was the remedy?
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Hi Mario - yes I also considered the rock borers, and also the cone shells. In the end, and as I did not present the case as taken the language above is merely evocative, not directive. Her main problem was one of being stuck, immovable, held, attached, locked - it was displayed in both the mental, emotional and her physical complaints. She repeated those words most often. Taking that into account, and the very clear Mollusc language, I prescribed Oyster which produced in her, for the first time in those 5 years, mental calm, clarity, balance, and a peace that she had not ever felt.
 
As you know, Oyster's focus is on being cemented to a rock, and never moving for the rest of its life. All of those feelings went away, she stopped fighting with her husband, no longer felt crowded at home, was able to discuss her issues rationally, felt a stronger connection to her new baby, no longer felt stuck, no longer craved to be free of her marriage and her child. In fact, she has repeated at each follow-up "I really don't know what to talk about now. None of those things is really bothering me". Some old symptoms have been reappearing and disappearing, in reverse order of how they originally appeared.
 
The 'sitting duck' expression, conveyed both the animal feeling of attack and threat, and the oyster's feeling of being stuck in one place unable to move.
 
The twisting and coiling up, can be seen in the Bivalve group - the physiology of them is to be ' irregularly packed up and wrapped together like the intestines in the human abdomen, where asymmetry and twist prevail.'
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Hi David,

Yes, we followed the same way but without me thinkink outside the bivalvae. I see why you thought to the adherence of Patella , but, not having the open-close, and moving from time to time you had to come back to bivalvae and then to oyster because the stuck in rock, etc...
Are you aware if an other oyster than Conchiolinum was potentised recently somewhere?

Thanks for the exercise. 

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Forgetting:

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The remedy was Conchiolinum,  which is described by T.F Allen in his Encyclopaedia of Pure Materia medica. It is mentionned by J.H Clarke in his Dictionnary of Practical Materia Medica. (if no new remedy from an other oyster exist, David?)

Conch. was prepared from the inner mother of pearl of an oyster then named Avicula margaritifera. It is not sure, with the modern taxonomy being under revision, if it is what is now called the White-lip-oyster- Pinctada maxima. Another synonym is Meleagrina margaritifera.

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Oh yeah, that was something I've been wondering about. Are remedies usually 'grafts' from the original ones or do pharmacies usually prepare them from the crude material?
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I buy all my remedies from Helios, and they are prepared from the crude material to make the mother tincture.
 
The particular oyster used for this remedy is Crassotrea gigas, the Pacific Oyster.
 
One of the other reasons I went to Bivalve is because of the repeated experience of being 'Pressed on both sides' and the hand gestures (again which you could not see) of opening and closing.
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I was not aware that Crassotrea gigas is potentised, and I just see now where it is mentionned in the book. 

Where to find information on the remedy? I will look by myself, but if you can help...

Thanks.

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I don't know anything about the proving unfortunately.
 
I have had a variety of cases from this subgroup - Conch, Pearl, Oyster - there are extra qualities in Conch and Pearl that Oyster seems to lack. Conch focuses on the opalescent layer and the colors of it, Pearl of course on the sensation of the pearl itself (I presented my pearl case on the forums not long ago - I will try to get my Conch case up soon if you like).
 
 
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David,

Always interested by your cases. But, if you agree, you could start by explaining your choice for Crassotrea gig instead of Conch in your case. If I had knew that Crass was existing I would have proposed it instinctively or intuitively for the case, and also by deduction from your infos at source level, but maybe you can give more objective informations, including a bit from others levels.

Interested also to know how was prepared the remedy by Helios, if you knows yourself. Was it the same procedure Hahnemann did for Calc carb?
Also, of course, very interested to know about your experience with the patient and the similarities and differences you saw in her with Calc carb. 
We had a very informative discussion elsewhere about the paradox of Calc c being a mineral but prepared from an animal. We were comparing Calc c to Conch, Pearl and others bivalvaes but not with Crass g.

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I think with both Conch and Pearl, you are looking at only a piece of the animal, and the piece that it is, becomes the main expression in the case. Pearl  feels like something precious is being dug, scooped, pulled out of them - Conch (this is from a good Conch case of mine, but only 1 so take this with a grain of salt) seems to focus more on the colors and the opalescence of the shell, the color white comes up alot but a whiteness that is not pure white but something special. Both Conch and Pearl seem to talk alot about value, preciousness, specialness, beauty, things that are in the eye of the beholder, purity, clarity, blemished and unblemished etc. Or they talk about the opposite, murky, dirty, impure, unclear, flaws and so on.
Calc-carb on the other hand, is prepared from the shell only of the oyster, and is broken right down into its main constituents. It has only echoes of animal language in it, traces of the mollusc feelings of hiding and covering up. But the main expression becomes structure rather than me vs. them.
 
It seems to me that Oyster itself, has more of the animal and its life processes in it. You should see all the issues of Movement or its lack of(the main characteristic), Attack and defence, Kill or be killed, Wet and dry, Claustrophobic in the shell, the soft and vulnerable animal inside, and so on.
 
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