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    Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 03:59
Differentiate the administration of medicine from mothertincture to biochemic. And how it related with electro hpathy
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  Quote wequar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 08:38
Mother tinctures work the same way as any crude drug would work,as there is no "HOMEOPATHY" in it for the simple reason that it has not gone through the process of dilution and succussion/dynamization;

Since MT are the starting point for homeopathic medicine and found useful in treating patients,initially hence its use as part of homeopathic paraphernalia.

Biochemic medicines are potentized/dynamized as such they work on similar principle as homeopathic medicine.

The subject remains open for further discussion.

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  Quote Brisbanehomoeopath Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 15:49
The Tissue Salts are only triturated are they not? I don't believe there is any sucussion in the process of making them.
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  Quote wequar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov. 09 at 16:44
You are right, my mistake in explaining.Thanks 
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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 00:57
Sorry to have another base of information. But my references tell that tissue salts are potentized and prepared acc to homeopathic principles.
Can someone else check what is right?
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Preparation & Dose of Biochemic Remedies

 
 

The Tissue Remedies are prepared for therapeutic purposes, like all homeopathic remedies, according to the decimal or centesimal scale in trituration or dilution. The crude, chemically pure article is taken and triturated with sugar of milk, one part of the drug to nine parts of sugar of milk, for at least two hours. This gives the first decimal trituration, each grain containing one-tenth of a grain of the cell salt triturated.

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One part of this first decimal trituration is then used, and other nine parts of sugar of milk added and again triturated two hours, which gives the second decimal trituration, and is equivalent to the first centesimal trituration, each grain containing one-hundredth of the triturated cell salt. But experience has shown, as may be seen, too, from the illustrations above that even this minute subdivision is too gross for many purposes in the animal economy, and so this triturating and subdividing process has been kept up to the sixth, twelfth and even higher preparations.

SCHUSSLER'S OWN PROCEDURE.

At first Schussler began with the sixth centesimal or twelfth decimal trituration; but he, very early in his practice, adopted the sixth decimal preparation as the one most generally useful. Lately the lower triturations of Potassium and Sodium salts, the third decimal, of others the fourth and fifth, have been productive of equally good results. In the last edition of his "Abgekiurzte Therapie" he says on this point: "In my practice I employ the sixth decimal trituration generally. Ferrum phos., Silicea and Calcarea fluor., I usually give in the 12th trituration. In acute diseases, a dose consisting of a powder, size of a pea, should be given every hour or two; in chronic diseases 3 or 4 times daily. The powder may be given dry on the tongue, or dissolved in a spoonful of water."

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  Quote wequar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 07:43
Thank you once again for elaborating on Tissue Salts preparation,it has refreshed my knowledge;

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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 10:43
Maybe the author has only missed the important step of potentization?

Tissue Salts are produced acc to the homeopathic pharmacopoeia (I have my copy available again at the end of the week).
All our pharmacies (I speak for Germany) have to follow this book.

http://schuessler.dhu.de/root_1024/index.htm

Quote: "Schüßler wandte das von Samuel Hahnemann entwickelte Prinzip der Potenzierung an."  Schuessler used the principle of potentization which has been developed by Samuel Hahnemann

http://www.dhu.com/products/biochemic_remedies.htm

Quote: "In this context homeopathic potentisation, a defined dilution method is the crucial factor for success. "

http://www.luzsche-stadt-apotheke.com/schuessler.htm#Herstellung%20der%20biochemischen%20Mittel
Quote: "Die Funktionsmittel Schüßlers und die Ergänzungsmittel werden mit Milchzucker verrieben, nach den Regeln der Homöopathie potenziert und tablettiert."

http://www.orthim.de/produkte/produkte-herstellung.php
Quote: "Das Verfahren nennt sich Potenzieren und wurde von dem bekannten Homöopath Dr. Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann entwickelt."

http://www.doc-nature.com/schuessler-salze/herstellung-schuessler-salze.php3


Quote:"Als geeignete Form der Aufbereitung wandte er die von Samuel Hahnemann entwickelte Prinzipien der Potenzierung an."

http://www.vitagate24.ch/schuessler.aspx


Quote: "Was die Herstellung der Schüssler-Salze betrifft, werden die Grundsubstanzen mit Milchzucker verrieben und nach den Regeln der Homöopathie in den Potenzen D6 oder D12 produziert."

If anyone needs the translations of all quotes, then I'll do it next weekend.
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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 11:22
A reason for the missing procedure of potentization can be that authors might not be homeopaths and therefore miss the importance of succussion.

Example:
http://www.countrypark.com.au/articles/april_2004/tissue_salts.htm
Quote: "Tissue Salts are a homeopathic preparation that provide vital microdoses of inorganic minerals to cells.  The Tissue Salts are prepared by a process of trituration, a procedure that takes no less than twelve working days after which the formulation is moulded into soft and friable tablets, with a potency of 6x, which dissolve easily in the mouth to ensure quick assimilation."

As we all know, homeopathic preparations are always prepared by using the method of succussion.
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Trituration is a must for making homeopathic potencies of substances like metals which can't be dissolved in water/alcohol. By triturating them first upto 3X with milk of sugar they are made soluble.
 
Trituration is as much a homeopathic procedure as is the succussion.
 
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  Quote Firuzi Mehta Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 23:23
As Mr. Murthy said, trituration and succussion are both processes of potentization.

Trituration - when the potentization is done in solid state, as for insoluble substances.
Succussion - for potentization in liquid state.


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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 00:01

Was there any doubt about it? Confused

The question is whether in preparation of tissue salts succussion is part of the procedure or not. ...
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The Micromagnetic mode of Transmission by Homeopathic Dynamization and Trituration


 " In all matters, two neigbouring atoms form a magnetic dipole. If all dipoles in a material are aligned in the same direction, we have a perfect magnet. " Every magnet sends out  a magnetic field and if we bring a non-magnetic iron bar in this field, it will be magnetised "...

" These same energies are used in homeopathic therapeutics with the only difference that instead of rubbing two objects, we rub and triturate  ( or  succuss liquids ) powdered drug materials. We, therefore, produce electric fields around every particle of the powdered drug and the more we triturate, the stronger the electric fields we produce, and the more potentised becomes the triturated material.....the particles of Sac.Lac. are brought into the sphere of the numberless electric fields of the drug particles, they become magnetised, the carriers of medicinal energy - the micromagnetic mode of transmission of power from one potency to another.

       ....  potentised  remedy  radiates  energy  in  the  form  of  hertzian waves. Trituration and Succussion  create  emission of alphs, beta  and  gamma rays. Alpha rays correspond to very low,and the gamma rays to very high potencies. It is a fact that the gamma rays are much more penetrating and this explains why high potencies  are  effective  in  the  treatment of chronic, inverterate and deep-seated diseases. "

                                                                           - Dr. T.K. Bellokossy M.D.
                                                                   An excerpt from Glimpses of Homeopathy

 

 One of the latest achievements in applied nuclear physics, the Synchrotron Radiation Generator, confirms this theory that electrons emit electro-magnetic radiation with a frequency corresponding to its orbit and that its energy depends on its distance from the nucleus , the more distant  it is, the higher is its energy level. Electrons forced to move in orbit of a certain diameter produced ultra-violet rays, whereas electrons forced to move in a larger orbit produced X-rays.

           Salts are chemical fire. Its corrosive appetite is fed - not by wood or coal but by metals, whose   electrons fuel chemical reactions.

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  Quote Firuzi Mehta Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 00:23
Since tissue salts are sold in tablet form, there is no question of succussion, right?
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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 00:34
Ok.
I just received an email which has a quote from my homoeopathic pharmacopoeia which is with a colleague at the moment.
This should solve the discussion about succussion or not:
 
"Die nach der Centesimalskala bis zur 3., nach der Decimalskala bis zur 6. Potenz verriebenen Substanzen sind durch dieses anhaltende Reiben nunmehr so weit verfeinert, daß sie nach Hahnemann mit einem flüssigen Arzneiträger (Wasser, Weingeist) verbunden und in diesem weiter potenziert werden können."
 
This clearly states, that for the triturated substances acc to the centesimal scale after the 3rd, and to the decimal scale after the 6th potency, the substances are good enough refined, so that they can be brought together with a liquid medium (water, spirit of wine) acc. to Hahnemann and be further potentized with it.
 
Tissue salts are sold usually in potencies D3 (X3), D6 (X6), D12 (X12).
That means, and it seams to be the missing informations in all our references used, only tissue remedies X12 have steps for preparation including succussion.
 
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  Quote Humble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 00:39
Addition:
the procedures are the same for homoeopathic remedies and tissue salts.
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