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    Posted: 04 Nov. 09 at 18:10
I am a public health worker who will be staffing some of our H1N1 vaccination clinics.  They recommend that we get them, too.  (Of course, it's not mandatory that we get one.)  I am basically on the fence about it. 
 
Anyway, I wrote to my homeopathist and asked her if it was okay for me to get the vaccine.  She wrote back in huge letters telling me NOT to get the vaccine and that we could discuss it at our next visit in two weeks.  (She doesn't seem to like discussing these things over email or over the phone).  But now I want to know why.  Why would it be so bad?  I guess I'm just amused by her response, because after 5 months with her, I have not gotten any better.  Would the vaccine interfere with any future remedies she might prescribe me, preventing any success that it would have?
 
I'm just curious.....thanks in advance for any replies to this post
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I'm guessing you haven't read all the posts on all the vaccine related threads here at Hpathy, otherwise you wouldn't have asked this question! Smile

Fair enough, you probably felt inundated by all the information, but I certainly would recommend that you read a few articles at least!

And it's not just a question of whether the vaccine is going to interfere with your homoeopathic treatment, there are major health issues here!

Here is one very relevant article about vaccines in general and their role in chronic diseases. Many different vaccines and their 'effects' are discussed in a scientific manner.
http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/moskowitz-vaccines-chronic-diseases.asp

Since your query is particularly for the H1N1 vaccine, you should read the thread on Dangers of New Swine Flu H1N1 vaccine, particularly Gina Tyler's long post on Page 3..
http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?FID=2&TID=10087&PN=3


Some more articles that might interest you...
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/01/Swine-Flu-Shot-Linked-to-Killer-Nerve-Disease.aspx

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/027258_vaccines_flu_vaccine.html

Hope you can see why the vaccine is being resisted!
Good luck!


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Thank you for this information.....I read some of the posts on the General forum today, but it was a bit too scientific and over my head....LOL.  It's just hard when you're in a line of work where your job is to promote getting the vaccine, but in my case, I'm seeing a homeopathic doctor, so I want to take her advice when it comes to things like not getting the vaccine.  More than anything, I wished that she would've emailed me some information or suggested that I call her about it instead of telling me to wait for two more weeks to discuss it at our next visit.  But now it's great to have some information.....thanks!
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  Quote David Johnson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 07:21
Here's something about flu shots you can just watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScGC7nFDxM
"The room in which we find ourselves is fairly comfortable. Draw the curtains, for the night is dark, and let us devote ourselves to describing the furniture".   Evelyn Underhill
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  Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov. 09 at 18:26
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  • All you need to do is go to the searchbox at Hpathy and type: swine flu vaccine,plenty of info has been discussed on this subject.
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      Quote mizzleelee80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 02:06
    Thanks for all the information, all!
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      Quote Carole Franske Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 21:12

    Again, to educate people - this must be viewed. For you to believe or not, I leave that up to you.

    A must watch video on the swine flue.   Finnish minister of health speaks out against the make believe pandemic.  It is only 6 minutes but very powerful. For those involved in health activism, I suggest saving this or at least watching it before it gets pulled off the internet.  Good chance of that happening.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTgyakGAddM
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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov. 09 at 21:41
    Thanks Carole Good videoclipClap.
    A must see for all who truly care about humanity.
    I find it odd that healthcare workers blindly vaccinate everyone without
    doing some research first.
     
    To think that you have the power to stop all this?
    Most just dont care..........
    Blind leading the blind-
     
    all goes back to the corruption of allopathics
    see the link i posted
    NO VACCINE IS A SAFE VACCINEConfused
    VACCINES ARE THE GENOCIDE OF MODERN MEDICINEConfused
    Genocide & vaccination
    this has always been the reason for vaccination,see examples of past historical events
    Ring a Bell anyone?
     
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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 12:49
    About the safety of the vaccine- Why So bad??????????????? You ask.....................

    The media is bombarding the airways with propaganda about how safe vaccines are
    ,its time i share some links,please be informed.

    http://medicalvoices.org/fr/vaccination/

    http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/canadian-doctor-explores-the-rationale-for-compulsory-vaccination-programs/

    http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/swine/swine-flu-vaccine.php

    http://vactruth.com/

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      Quote mizzleelee80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:27
    Thank you for sharing this information; I am definitely NOT getting the vaccine and have a much better understanding of where you all are coming from.
     
    At the same time, I am a public health worker who is currently helping to staff our H1N1 vaccination clinics in Los Angeles County.  This is a huge task, as LA County is bigger than 42 states. As I mentioned before, it is difficult to be in this line of work where we are encouraging people to get the vaccine, and yet I know so many negative things about it. 
     
    That's what I call the "Spice of Life"!  I may not agree with every viewpoint that the profession of homeopathy has, and I don't necessarily agree with everything that the field of public health advocates, either.  It really comes down to me having to weigh the evidence myself and be my own advocate.  Information is always good, and there's always evidence for and against any topic. 
     
    Thanks again.....
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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:30
    I turned down many jobs in clinics because I dealt with the same issue you are speaking of here...................................
     
     
     
    You posted:"..................and there's always evidence for and against any topic.  ..."
     
    My reply:
    No vaccine is a Safe Vaccine it is that simple and that Black and white
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      Quote mizzleelee80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 13:42
    I don't believe that anything is Black or White.  There are numerous shades of gray that we are constantly having to consider.  At the same time, I admire your decision to avoid jobs at clinics because of your belief that vaccines are bad. 
     
    As a patient of homeopathy, I am new to all of this and learning day by day.  At the same time, the field of public health does many good things for people that often do not get recognized in a treatment-focused society.  And for as much as there are bad stories about public health, there are good stories too.  That's why I don't believe in black and white thinking-- even when it comes to vaccines. 
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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 15:48
    Dear Mizz,thanks for your reply,sorry i disagree with you. 
    [Allopathy is the leading cause of death, 783,936 every year in the USA
     
    You might want to do some soul searching after you read these links.
    I have hundreds more
     let me know if you are still convinced modern Allopathic medicine has its bennefits
     
     
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      Quote mizzleelee80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 16:08
    Thank you for the links.  I will definitely do some soul searching.  I will not get into a discussion about the benefits or evils of allopathic medicine, however. 
     
    I have not had a positive experience with either of the homeopaths that I've gone too--  perhaps when I have experienced the benefits of homeopathy more clearly, I will feel differently.  I have not given up hope, however. You are free to disagree with me, but I can't guarantee that I'm going to side with your way of thinking completely.  As I said, I believe in shades of gray, not black and white, when it comes to thinking.  As human beings we are not black or white-- we are all unique and different, and I believe that how we respond and react to things reflects this as well.
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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 16:34
    Dear Mizz
    Yes You are correct WE ALL HAVE A FREE WILL TO DO AS WE LIKE---------------------------
    More things to think about while your thinking about the safety of vaccines:
     

    The 'vaccines are effective' lie
    Lies

    "The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" ---Dr. Len Horowitz

    [The only effective thing about vaccines is their remarkable ability to cause diseases. If you study the real statistics, or the graphs, you will find no evidence that vaccination eliminated any disease or reduced the death rate for any disease.  If you start with smallpox you will find the truth shocking.  With measles, one of the later vaccines, the death rate had declined by 99.4% before vaccination!  Same story of useless and dangerous vaccines---with Diptheria (check out the first 40 years of Diptheria vaccination as recorded by Beddow Bayly), TB, measles, mumps, poliorubella, tetanus, flu, pertussis/whooping cough (especially the highly toxic vaccines)  There may be some evidence of vaccination suppressing measles incidence but this is a bad thing.  Vaccinated children still get the so called 'vaccine-preventable' diseases.  The only effective protection against germs is nutrition/diet, naturopathy & homeopathy, and by avoiding poisons such as junk food, as some of these quotes point out: Infections & poisons, Infection & nutrition, Germ theory hoax.]

    "We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics.  This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the INEFFECTIVENESS of vaccines in protecting against illnesses...the USELESSNESS of certain vaccines, notably, TB & Tetanus..Diptheria....Influenza and hepatitis B."----Guylaine Lanctot, M.D.

    "The decline in infectious diseases in developed countries had nothing to do with vaccinations, but with the decline in poverty and hunger (Dr. Buchwald draws the Committee’s attention to a series of about 50 graphs in his book which show that vaccinations have no effect on the decline of infectious diseases).--Dr Buchwald, M.D.

    "Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occured before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.

    "According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs."--Dr Buttram MD

    "All infectious diseases decreased without vaccinations. Not only did vaccines have no influence over the decrease of the diseases, the contrary is true, they slowed down the downward trend of all diseases. The best example for this is polio. After the majority of people were vaccinated, severe epidemics occurred, such as in 1962 in the German speaking countries, after vaccination had been in full force for 3 years.   Dr Buchwald carefully collected the facts in his book, which prove this fact beyond doubt for all infectious diseases38."----Anita Petek-Dimmer

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      Quote G Tyler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Nov. 09 at 21:50
    To all readers of hpathy
    Regards the issue of vaccine safety;

    The pro-vaccination side is all that is offered in the media, schools, doctor’s offices, PHS, and all government publications propaganda manipulated by the media,like some  cult.

     
    This is a biased one-sided view of vaccinations based much on manufacturer’s studies and writings.
     The other side is rarely discussed Confusedand adverse events after vaccination are dismissed as a one-in-a-million chance which is a necessary risk we all have to take.ConfusedThis is far from the truth.
     
     The truth is that the risks are far greater than they are telling us.
     
     Extreme pressures are placed on parents for not signing permission and accepting all responsibility for the toxic vaccines.
    for all the laws for each state,parents have rights to opt out!!!!!!!
     
      Doctors cannot guarantee the safety of vaccines or that they will even work.
     Many vaccinations fail to achieve their intended level of immunity and many cause horrible complications (including death)Confused which one will have to suffer for the rest of their life.
    see the personal stories writen by parents with vaccine damaged children.
     
     The trade-off is not wroth the risk.Dead
     Mumps and measles are innocuous childhood diseases, but the vaccines have caused cancer, diabetes, brain damage, leukemia, autism, and even death (SIDS).

    This information is to provide a balance against the pro-vaccination literature which is easily available.Clap

     Anti-vaccination philosophies are sometimes difficult to find and anti-vaccinationists are called namesConfused in an attempt to discredit their reasoning.
     
     One must concede that both sides are biased in their views, however skewed.
     Truth is what is needed and that seems to be lacking in the pro-vaccination literature.
     
     If vaccines were good for us, there would be no reason for dishonesty and deceit. If Confusedvaccines were safe and effective there would be no issue here.Why are vaccine manuf. protected by law,right now a new bill has been passed by congress,no one can bring these monsters to court for damaging their children.If they are so safe.....why is there protection?
     
     Anti-vaccination literature only wants to support the truth and honestly tell the facts as they really are. Only by becoming educated in this very important issue can one make an informed decision. Yet, every day parents are asked to roll up Johnny’s sleeve with very little consideration as to what their permission is for. Few people realize that vaccines are grown on monkey kidneys, mice brains and chicken embryos.Vaccines are made from human fetus,Abortion issues come into play.The hipocracy of being Pro life-"ANTI ABORTION" yet your OK with getting a vaccine?
     
     Few people realize the dire consequences of injecting foreign animal tissues (DNA/RNA) and the auto-immune reactions they can induce. Few people realize that vaccines are immune depressing and may cause cancers, leukemias and even have been linked to AIDS.Dead

    Only by keeping people in the dark (ignorant to the ill-effects of vaccinations) can vaccination profit-levels be kept high.Confused

     
    Parents are purposefully not given the facts concerning vaccines, or they are given altered data and only the glossy side of the pro-vaccine issues. A one-sided view is delivered to parents who are not being educated or informed, but it favors vaccinations! Ignorance may be bliss, but not in vaccination issues, where death and severe damage may ensue.
     Many people do not even know (nor are they told) that vaccines are grown on animal organs and contain foreign DNA/RNA of those animals.
     Vaccinations are blood products and hazardous to our immune system.
     The medical literature is full of citations linking vaccines to many diseases, both causally (cause-associated) and temporally (time-associated).
     
     Yet, people erroneously assume that because vaccines are mandated by law that the government is verifying to their safety and effectiveness.
     Nothing can be further from the truth,Confused since the government relies on the data from the manufacturers for the vaccine safety studies and coaxes to their research for vaccine effectiveness.Ouch
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