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    Posted: 26 April 05 at 12:45

Just received this:

Dear collegues

I am currently researching the similia for different Australian venomous bite and sting situations. I am trying to allocate collegues worldwide who have used homoeopathics in similar situations. Would it be possible to contact your professional members in order to make inquiries regarding their use of homoeopathics in venomous bite and sting situations? Any information I would get from your members would just be used to assess the use and efficacy of homoeopathy in those situations. Please contact me if you would like to get a complete outline of my research work and a questionnaire I would ask your professional members to fill out.

With kind regards

Geoffrey Vargas, Perth, Australia

kgvargas@yahoo.com

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 13:24

Hello Shirley,

It`s important for him to know about the different groups of Toxicaserpentium remedies which are especially made for different parts of the world, among which are 8 snake remedies for Australia and the Pacific Islands.

Toxicaserpentium 30c is a combination of seperately prepared homeopathic snake poisons of snakes (sometimes a lizzard) living in certain areas (= parts of the world)

So a huge part of the world is divided in parts and for each part a different Toxicaserpentium 30c is required depending on which snakes live there.

Example : For the USA/Canada the Toxicaserpentium USA/Canada 30c is required etc. For this part of the world there are 7 snake remedies such as Crotalus virides 30c, Agkistrodon piscivorus 30c etc.

Shall I post them (for Australia) here or sent him some details by e-mail ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 13:32

Hi Shirley,

Do check Senega and Cedron

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 14:37

Hello Syed, Again a little comfort for you because Senega can be prescribed in MT, 1-20 drops ! Or the 3rd to 30th or even sometimes the 200. But in spite of the fact Senega is Snakeroot (Snakewort) I wouldn`t use it for any snakebites in Australia if you look at the species living there such as the Acanthophis antarticus, Oxyuranus scutellatus, Pseudonaja textillis, Austrelaps superba, Pseudechis australis, Tropidechis carinatus, Notechis stutatis and pseudechis papuanus.

For this nasty creatures you really need one of the Toxicaserpentium remedies !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 14:44

Oh, I forgot the Cedron (Rattlesnake bean) which is made of a bean and not snake poison, if my memory serves me right (correct me if I`m wrong). I wouldn`t recommend it either for snakebites. Can also be prescribed for other disorders in MT or usually low potency up to the 30th, sometimes the 200. On wounds you can put on tincture made of pure bean !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 15:42

Hello Syed,

I wasn`t quite satisfied with my answer but now I have solved this problem why Cedron and Senega are not suitable for Australia.

Senega is native to North America and now cultivated in Western Canada. The Seneca (or Senega ?) Indians of North America valued this plant as an antidote to snakebites, hence its common name. It was used herbally by native Americans for bronchitis, asthma and whooping cough.

Cedron (rattlesnake beans) is found in Central America and Northern Brazil. In Panama Cedron is known as an antidote for snake bites and insect stings if chewed immediately after being bitten.  Cedron was also used for malaria or fever.

The substances used for making the different Toxicaserpentium remedies for particular parts of the world exclusively come from snakes living in those particular parts of the world and are there the most appropriate homeopathic remedies...and identifying the snake you have been bitten by is usually the main problem, but this is solved by giving a complex remedy containing poisons of all species living there and this seems to work very well !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 18:50

Great information Wim

Where i live there are many rattlesnakes,see them alot when i go hiking (looking for medicinal plants),was wondering what to use if i ever got bit?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 05 at 21:50

Wim

Are you suggesting "REMEDIES" homeopathically or allopathically?

If homeopathically then which rule is in your mind?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 05 at 00:01

Salam Abdullah,

Infact noone is suggesting remedies here.. we are discussing possible group of remedies that may work for snakebtes.

I am sure how to use them would be our phase of discussion.

For example about Cedron..we have not yet mentioned Q, 30 or 200th or any potency..we are checking it up whether it do have a scope in snake bites or not. If we agree that yes a particular drug has a role to play ..then its prescribing patterns would emerge.

Good to see you posting here... Welcome again!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 05 at 00:21
Dear Wim

How many hours do you spend reading per day? What is the secret of having acquired such a depth of knowledge in just 5 short years. There must be something else other than your memory. Do share with us your secret.Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 05 at 03:57

Hello Abdullah,

If you are referring to the Toxicaserpentium remedies I mentioned the 30c and this implicates I had homeopathy in mind.

But since this concerns ACUTE treatment this remedy is prescribed without hardly any repertorisation at all (because of haste !)for each group of  poisonous snakes occurring in certain parts of the world. Suppose a clever dickie would say...yes....but listen there are more than the 7 or 8 species of snakes in for example Canada or anywhere else then he forgets that only approximately 10 % of all the snakes is poisonous, so now you will understand that this (obligatory/emergency complex) remedy is exactly  made from the nasty venomous ones in that particular area ! There are about 3000 different species of snakes all over the world ! In Tasmania all snakes are poisonous, but in the rest of Australia there are more poisonous snakes than non-poisonous snakes. The remedy Heloderma suspectum is made from the poison of a lizzard.   

A great pity is of course that there`s no such thing as a snake who introduces himself after he has bitten you

Imagine the next conversation : Hello Abdullah, why are you crying out so loudly ?

Answer Abdullah : Because you have just bitten me...you stupid snake, please identify yourself because I desperately need to be antidoted !

Snake : 7 of the species here are pretty poisonous you know and the snakes slithers away....Abdullah is even more crying out now seeing the snake leaving..

Abd. : Come back you blooming snake ! My gracious goodness me !

Snake : No way, mate ! If you had read Wim`s huge posts in the past you would have known that the remedy you need right now is made from the poisons of the snakes that live here in this area, so don`t you worry and ask in the hospital for Toxicaserpentium 30c for this area. Problem solved...good day to you sir !

Wim.

 

  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 05 at 04:07

Hello Murthy,

I can`t explain it, only I have fast ways to study literature and indexes. I`ll give you an example : Once a student remarked  he was looking in one of the reps for hollow cheeks and he couldn`t find it. He asked me and I said perhaps you should look in the index for the words sunken (under S)cheeks....problem solved.

What I mean to say is that it`s often very difficult for students etc. to find the right entrances...think of lungs.....then it may start with L or P (pneu) and so there are so many more possibilities.

And a retentive memory helps of course a lot too !

Wim.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 05 at 21:55
Thank you for your responses.  What he is looking for are homeopaths who have actually treated venomous snake bites or venomous insect bites homeopathically.  He would like to have the people e-mail him for a research project he is doing.  He has a questionaire for people to fill out.  He's not interested in the materia medica of different remedies or writings about treating venomous bites homeopathically, or whether they are suitable for Australia or not.  He just needs real life outcomes from around the world.  I hope that clarifies the situation. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 05 at 04:13

That was also my point, I was worried what they are discussing. What was the question and what was fed at forum? They were just sending mails on sake of sending mails.

For such life threatening cases, I do not take risk of using homeopathic medicine nor do I recommend. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 05 at 04:34

After management I mostly prescribe phos in orifice bleeding / hemorrhage.

I found good result from sep and alum in drowsiness after snakebite.

Symptom of Great thirst after snakebite, arsenic album

China and bell are also frequent medicines.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 05 at 19:21
Dr. Abdullah, if you would be so kind as to e-mail Dr. Vargus at kgvargas@yahoo.com , that information may be useful to him.  I don't know if all he wants are cured cases only using homeopathy or not, but I do know he wants real life experiences.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 05 at 20:42

Madam,

Today,when I will reach at home, I will try to write few cases at night then I will send mail to him.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 05 at 12:19
Originally posted by Vet/Dr Abdullah

For such life threatening cases, I do not take risk of using homeopathic medicine nor do I recommend. 

So for, homeopaths have no answer of working of homeopathic medicines. What is homeopathic potency? Where are molecules? what is energy medicine? How does it react? In this situation, abdullah is very right in his adv, not to use homeopathicmedicine in risky patients. if anyone know he/she can win one million dollar prize money. See, the front page of www.randi.org where they very badly humalating www.abchomeopathy.com homoeopathic software. And also read paranormal forum. Only few people are placing hurdles against them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 05 at 04:48

Mr. Mughal, the above comment is off topic and previous threads have discussed them ad nauseum.

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