Introducing the PHI & Fibonacci Scale of Remedies!

Interesting...Makes a lot of sense

Oh, and then there's Dr. Kumar.   I'm sure he could measure temperature spectral variances between normal remedies and PHI/ FIB remedies.

Spectroscopy and many other ways we could do it, but a quickie grass seed experiment would be simplest and most in-tune with life.

Originally posted by Katja Hi Doc, this is indeed an interesting approach, and I'm sure homeopath could gain some understanding of it... already Phytagoras said, that "mathematics, music and the art of healing, these three arts and sciences form an alliance". If have the book "The harmony of the Spheres" on my desk, however I did not start reading it, do you know it ? If not, may be you can get some stimulations there... (I remind that David Little mentions the harmonies in his lessons, anyway his lectures are great...)

Dr Quack is joking .

Does homeopathy comes from internal knowledge or from external knowledge as all sciences ?

The efficiency of alternative scales should be verified by experiment - only experiment decides what is right and what is wrong - there is no a-priory preference for one scale over another.

Hi Katja.  Hi Alex.

Thank you for the book reference.  I'll look it up sometime.   Katja, maybe when you're done reading the book, you could summarize it for us here?   That way we'll know if it's good, crap, or what before buying it.    I am familiar with Music of the Spheres from Professor Little's teachings and from various other sources.  Pythagorean thought runs down along that old Mathematikoi legacy, into occult things, and blends with Masonic teachings.  In some circles, it is related to the Cabalistic "Tree of Life", etc.   I am not into the "voodoo".  

In answer to Alex's reply, no, I am not joking on the PHI / FIB thing.  I believe in God; That the world around us was not created by accident and, when you look at the deepest levels of all that exists around us, there is clearly an intelligent design going on.  It's fashionable these days to think the contrary, but Hahnemann was a Mason and Deist who also saw a Creation in all things.  Same for Kepler in his astronomy.

My chosen religion is Christianity -- specifically Roman Catholicism pretty much the same as what you observed to John Paul II and Mother Teresa.  Run of the mill stuff.  Nothing too far Left or Right to my Catholicism;  At times with the Left;  At times with the Right; Just depends.  But, that doesn't mean I'm a good Catholic.  In fact, I was raised and mentored by several really good Templars, Scottish Rite Masons, K of C, other.

NOTE:   I wish to change my grammar here.  As my grand aunt / quasi-granny (a school principal) used to teach:   "Livestock are raised.   Children are REARED!"   I am not a stinkin' animal!!!!  Just a monster.  Then again, women call me an animal! 

Finest men I've ever known.  None were occultic, devilworshippers hellbent on global conquest, though we all agree that some of that world surely are!  From the Protestant or Catholic perspective, such men were good men and also heathens.   Men who believed in God or Christ, but weren't much for any particular church or its rules.   So, that influence keeps me always somewhat aloof to Rome and the priests while my other half stays with them.

There's the really goofy and dark, satanic Occult.   Then, there's what I call the well-meaning, goofy satanist or luciferian.   Then, a variety of paganism blends with it.  New Age mixed with it.  But, in among that core -- if you get past all the spell voodoo -- you'll find all sorts of obscure teachings, philosophies, and even sciences and arts generally just passed in secret;  Or kept in secret because they were heretic crimes back during the Inquisition.  Alchemy's evolution to Chemistry, Homeopathy, and still critical to the future of Chemistry and Materials Science.   Early discoveries on Anatomy & Medicine that involved secretly digging up and diagramming corpses when such was culturally forbidden.  There's a ton of Hebrew-Cabalist overlap.  A lot of things downright unholy, anti-God, absolutely anti-Christ and then, at times -- just as with all really effective propaganda -- there's ample truth mixed in.  Even the lies you can take, inverse, and find some truth there.  So, that's all part of those puzzle pieces I assemble for a more clear view of things. 

Anyhow, Music of the Spheres, Sacred Geometry....these are all ancient notions that have various degrees of truth buried in them.  Lots of occultic voodoo drivel, too.  Good stuff to be extracted and learned from all the same.   People forget this little observation:   the most militant of devil-worshippers actually is nothing more than a very lost Christian; for their entire religion is set up against Christ.   So, the more you listen to them ramble on this or that, the more they just further cement your belief.   It's hard to filter out the crap and the truth, but there are many obscure things in the occult realm which have been underworld matters -- unspeakable things of science -- just from the whole taboo of it; From the New Ager and ancient voodoo mysticism mixed with it.  

Talk of Chi, the Vital Force, Sacred Geometry, Music of the Spheres, Alchemy, Homeopathy, Science in general......this is all stuff we'd be burnt at the stake to mention casually just a couple centuries back!   And so, when the Christian world exists as greatly fascist in the suppression of ideas (as that Hahnemannian444 was grumbling about), lots of good ideas wind up going underground and into the arms of the Devil himself and his concubines.  But, just because those ideas took refuge in the occult, Freemasonry, and against "The Man" who was religious tyranny in any culture....does not mean those ideas are of or even belong to the Devil.   If it is Truth, it belongs to God.   If it resonates oddly as if with the fabric of Creation, that's God's finger stirring the world, not the Devil.  Any real Creator would have to be a mathematician, physicist, chemist, and everything.  He does not speak in languages as much as action. 

That's the ancient meaning behind the YHVH name which you can see written inside my 3/4/5 triangle on the mathematical puzzle above.   It's not just saying "I am Who Is", but many things;  Mostly action.  The further we go back in the ancient languages, the more they become symbolic and multi-faceted while you don't even read them as words.   It's hard for me to articulate, but, when you're reading, you often focus to much on the letters or words rather than just flowing with it.  When you first start to learn to read musical notes, you focus on the letters and struggle with the notes.  In time, you just flow with it; You hear it.  The note on paper sings to you.  With extensive reading in any of the Latin-based languages, at some point, we cross into also hearing the written tone and the author's voice.   That's the joy of reading a great novel versus dry, technobabble of all these conehead scientific reports where the author is trying to sound intelligent by talking in a manner he normally wouldn't.   It's artificial tone based in vanity, not Truth.   Good literature is of God while conehead techno pubs are straight from Hell, I say!    Major difference in the way Hemingway's text resonates into you -- or even Tesla's techno talk or Hahnemann's words -- versus all this scientific publishing crap out there.  "Oh, yes, and here we are computing the waveforms going into the Pumped Phase Conjugate Mirror".  Sticklers for terms and jargon.  God is more like the greatest of scientists who prefers to draw art in the world, and to speak, write, or structure things in art and symbol and resonance and oddity.

It's a hard thing to argue the reality of God and I am no theologian.   But, one can study such things from an atheist or agnostic perspective -- or any religion -- and simply conclude that there are certain mathematical harmonies and oddities in nature.  And, when we design or do things in harmony with nature, we aren't fighting it or wasting energy as much.  Our engineering, sciences, and arts become more efficient and elegant. 

For example, in aerial or maritime navigation over a short distance (an neglecting winds or currents), if you know a latitude and longitudinal coordinate for Point A and Point B and you want to go from A to B....you could calculate it.  You could navigate in the general direction.  But, the efficient course is always going to be the hypotnuse of that triangle.  So, rather than arbitrary bearings taken, we deal with hypotnuse calculations in all navigational Lines of Position.  The calculations may be angular with a sextant, but we're still working for that hypotnuse path which we base in the Right Triangle for ease and efficiency as a tool.    30, 60, 90 right there as the 3 unit/ 4 unit/ 5 unit triangle.   PHI is found in relation to that, too -- same as PI is found in all circles.

To say that these two numbers which are extreme anomalies in nature have no meaning is silly; for we use them in everything of the sciences, arts, and engineering.   If you wish to calculate the force of stress that projects into a structural member from a vectored position off tangent to it by some strange angle, that's difficult to do by any other means but Sine and Cosine calculations (base in the 3/4/5 and 30/60/90 degree triangle) make it easy.   If you wish to draw a perfect circle as an artist without any attention to science at all, you still need to work with a radial string and nail of some form.  The course traced out just perfect will always give you the radius as half the diameter, and the PI relation to the circumference.   We can't escape it.

Extending that to remedy considerations, if we were to just draw a circle freehand -- selecting our pencil's path by eyeball, a good artist can draw almost a perfect circle (just as a good homeopath can find the right remedy), but it's so much easier when you just take a string and nail.   Or, likewise, in navigation, we could set sail in any arbitrary direction, but the computed course -- taking into account wind vectors (and their triangles), present position (and its Right Triangle form), velocity vectors (of various triangle form)....that'll put you exactly on target whereas the roughly chosen direction only winds up close. The artist navigator or pilot can just feel those calculations and get there, but even the ancient mariners used to triangulate by the stars --- setting sail in the direction of a star for a certain number of days; Then, adjusting course in the direction of another star for a certain number of days, etc.    Anything else is to just be blown aimlessly by the wind.   You don't have to see something divine in it.

Let's take for example an engineer's desire to install a certain number of magnets around a spinning shaft.   Each is a weight.   There is no margin for error other than the very tiny degree you'll tolerate.  We don't want that shaft to wobble from weights out of balance and harmony.    If you have exactly equal weights and magnetic forces, there is no better way other than to arrange those magnets around the shaft in equal angular divisions of the circle.   Whether it's 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or so on in number....they must be equally spaced or equally balanced in order to have mechanical balance.   This is why a 4 cylinder engine runs roughly compared to the V-6, V-10, and V-12's.   There are less balanced positions of ignition and load around the crankshaft circle.    To just set those positions of perfect balance, you are dealing with PHI at all times, and that also has relations to Fibonacci in other forms.

At a more obscure level in engineering, there is always some point -- just like here with the remedies -- where you have to pick a suitable dimension to things.  Usually that is done in regard to the hardware available, ease of manufacture, costs, etc.   But, at other times -- if you're seeking perfection in a machine -- standard parts won't do it.  You have to lathe down your shafts and other parts to the way you'd like them.  At some point, you're going to be able to pick from any number of lengths, widths, or angles to cut in a metal or integrate into the machine. 

The slob engineer just chooses any.   He pulls out of his kazoo some number that seems good.   But, if you're always looking to impart a kind of design Chi -- or elegance to a machine; Almost a life and grace in itself as if designed in harmony with God rather than fighting him;  As if surfing waves and forces of our world rather than slamming against them   -- you pay closer attention to choosing your dimensions as variants of the "divine" math.  

For example, if you just put your selected lengths and widths always in a 3/4/5 triangle consideration....a funny thing happens:   The system becomes much more tough against vibrational waves -- as if making good arch into doorways (another 3/4/5 Phi issue) rather than just horizontal beams.  It doesn't do that Galloping Gertie bridge failure thing as easy when you're paying attention to reduce forced oscillations under resonant frequencies.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge).  And because nature tends to resonate waves along those 3/4/5 Phi constructs (as a transmitter), when you pay closer attention to the design (a receiver) as being in harmony with or chosen to be out of harmony for some reason....the outcome is far more certain.  If you're designing a radio antenna, you want to pick your structural members in harmony with the waves you're trying to intercept.   Many things.

And so, by extension, it would seem logical that -- if we work our homeopathy closer to the structure of nature or God's finger in the world, the effect should be less sloppy.

With homeopathy, I wouldn't say that our existing potency scales are all that out of tune, but some of the less common potency numbers we can work through have been observed to have interesting effects --- odd and even numbered potency, for example.   Also, if you notice, most of the common potencies are already harmonically chosen -- 6X, 6C, 12C, 30C, 200C.    So why not the succussion and dilution quantities, too?   My thesis here is that, if we made the succussion and dilution quantities also in harmony, the remedy would be more efficient in its power.  More clean a signal.   Higher gain (greater signal with less noise received by the patient).   Less likely to drive up case confusion.   More like a clean, surgical cut with a razor blade rather than a saw.   You can cut with either and they both have a purpose at times, but the trick is in knowing when to cut wood, meat, or metals with a rough cut or fine cut;  When to polish things -- like a mirror -- roughly or extremely smooth for whatever the creative purpose happens to be. 

I'm not saying Phi/Fib numbers are always the panacea, but that probably -- if we study them more with the remedies -- we'll find some very powerful aspects to them which could make them a useful tool in the homeopathic chest --- like how LM's bridge a gap for us between the low and higher potencies and give us many new options of case control.

Okay, gotta run.  I'll post some data here later.   Gathered some fun data last night which shows what seems to be the spectral difference between Lycopodium 12C and Nux Vomica 30C when as roughly the same sized pellets.   That could be due to other factors and I cannot yet say, "Ah ha!  There you have it.  This is the Nux spectra.  This is the Lycopodium spectra."   Pellet size and composition alone could do that and they are from two, different manufacturers, though roughly the same size at #35.  Roughly doesn't cut it, though.  They should be the exact same pellet size.

Therefore, next, I would like to later carry out the experiment using the same lactose pellet with just additional remedy drops upon it.  Then, air dried.   That way we at least know the pellet diameter hasn't changed nor have the electrical contacts.    You cannot distinguish two remedies like that, but we can distinguish difference between the first remedy and the new, compound remedy repeatedly.  This further shows homeopathic remedies are for real.   With additional experiments and greater accurization, you could catalog the entire Materia Medica fairly rapidly and have an electronic collection of the remedy spectra.   And this then allows us to carry out the earlier DigiBio vision that later I tossed out as Project RAPHAEL -- that of synthetic remedies downloaded globally for the masses in time of emergency;  For Remedy Epidemicus and Genus Epidemicus use, etc.  Many other uses in complimenting existing clinical tools.

Darn!   These graphs I meant to put up in the Identification of Homeomeds thread, but you got me talking about it here and I posted it here.   Now I have a split thread.    Whoops!  Too much hassle to transfer things over, so I'll just direct it to here.

Link to the other thread:   Identification of Homeopathic Remedies & Disease

To DR Quack
I think you will like this :

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8768&PN=1

This is not a text - it is a picture and I don't know how to adjust the size - I tried but in vain .
I wanted to say these things :
1) Steps between different dilutions if use golden ratio is too small .
2) Fibonacci numbers form sequence which forms a solution of simple second order equation , this is why golden ratio is so ubiquitous. By the way there are other constants which are very common , for instance exponent and pi.

3) By your influence I payed attention that LM dilutions lie on graph of exponential function and
most common used C potencies approximately lie on graph of BxExp(a(exp(*)) function.
LM potencies have milder action so may be it is worth to try use dilutions which
 are described by function like BxExp(a(*)^c) , where 0<c<1 .

Hi Alex,

Well, so much for a "day or two".  On my time scale, that's what?  Six months!    Sorry.  You know, we immortal rubber duckies tend to lose track of time splashing around in Angelina's tub! Forgot totally about the thread here until reminded by addition to the thread below. 

http://hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=9645

There are other ways, as you noted, Alex.   Pi, for example.  Fibonacci, etc.  I'm just PHI prejudice, you might say.   3/4/5 triangle prejudice as noted regarding the 12C potencies in the thread there.   Yes, almost a religious prejudice that cannot be argued as strictly scientific.   PI is one of the big ones in our universe, but PHI and its 3/4/5 triangle base is, also.  They're almost like Yin and Yang where things of Life and intelligence tend to show more in Fibonacci.   There are others, but things at the root -- circles and squares; circles squared.  Circle, Triangle (root of a square).....these are two root shapes.  

The exponential function you noted....that has more of a geometric relation to Fibonnaci curve, as I see it.   Higher level.  Outside the root of things, but there all the same in everything.

Oh, one more thing, Alex.

In your LM formula......  See the 3 root?   The base 5 root?   You can find a base of 4 in that 50,000, too!  50,000/ 4 = 12,500.    Again, your 12's and 5's as we reduce downward.  12,400/4= 3125.   Each 3...1....2...5 is there part of Fibonnacci series.   3125/5 = 625.  Divided by 5 again = 125.   Again... part of Fibonnaci series.  Divided by 5 again = 25.  Divided by 5 = 5. 

....Your formula is an expansion of the 3/4/5 roots, as is the Fibonnaci curve.