Re:  [Hpathy.com article]  The Facts About an Ingenious Homeopathic Experiment that was not Completed Due to the 'Tricks' of Mr. James Randi.- George Vithoulkas www.vithoulkas.com

Dear Sirs,

I have in the past made it known to the JREF administration -- and also posted here at Hpathy long ago -- that myself and others would most certainly be happy to take that $1M off Mr. Randi's hands but only under a fair and genuine contest which is not rigged and controlled by a bunch of magicians! 

As I see it, JREF has the whole thing set up like a grant application and brown-nosing event, not a legitimate contest where the truth will ever be allowed known among all their "skeptic" and "scientific" prejudice.  Further, I'd want that money in escrow before even bothering.  I'd want a fair panel of judges and jury -- just as one would expect among any serious court of law.  The whole thing seems set up to draw in fools, magician twist and tangle them, and then bitch slap the homeopath for a hidden agenda they keep.

Next, the whole thing is really a tiresome and trivial argument.  We have proven our medical credibility for over two centuries.  The science is sufficiently understood.  The remedies are possible to measure different from plain water and distinct from each other.  DigiBio claimed to do that.  Dr. Rustum Roy has measured it.   Dr. Devendra Kumar has measured it.  I have partially measured it, and also given each of you out there the ability to use cheap equipment to do so for yourselves.   I have tried to explain some of the deeper physics that probably dwells at the core of it -- starting with these pages: http://excalibur.110mb.com/physics.htm (which are foundational to my work, but now pretty archaic). 

All that are the things we can use as a foundation to predict new findings, but the Flatlanders and the Cult of the Atheist Skeptics (hostile especially to the Vital Force concepts) are too hardened in heart and corrupted in intellect to see the truth.  And they will always find some way to weasel out of paying the money they promised.


In any case, everything you need to prove homeopathy can be found in the above video summary (when slowed down) -- everything from a road map to Modern Physics starting points, to past work in proving the reality of homeopathic doses, to Dr. Rustum Roy's spectroscopy work identifying differences between remedies, to Dr. Kumar's work in measuring temperature changes in the human body under different remedies, to my work which has often focused upon the generation of cheap and easy experimental equipment for the common man to prove these things to himself.  Things homeopathic students can do in the colleges to further prove we're not so quackadoo.

There's also the Scientific Research Bibliography thread on the Hpathy.com site (http://hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=7796). 

There is also this thread of mine which gives some perspectives (More Discoveries on Water and Remedies):  http://hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8578 .

In regard to quickly determining homeopathic efficacy in life forms and fully outside the Placebo Effect, there are my fish kill / laser reflection experiments which anyone out there can construct and replicate:  http://excalibur.110mb.com/experiments.htm

In regard to the latter half of the video above, a more detailed explanation of the "Cheap & Easy Nuclear Spectroscopy 101" experimental set up can be found on this thread:  http://hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=8879.
Right here, any homeopathic student or grad student the world over can easily and quickly obtain remedy spectral variances and their impact upon the patient, though a more extensive set up is required for obtaining the true remedy spectra. 

As for my part in proving homeopathy among hard-core Nuclear Physics, I hope you will remember me as the guy who related the Spherical Casimir Effect, the Pumped Phase Conjugate Mirror, perfectly hypergeometric Implosion, and energy tapped from the Vacuum to the mystery of succussion.   Pay me a hokey JREF $1M for that?! Hah!  That's almost Nobel Prize worthy and you're welcome to nominate this duck when you find it to be truth -- along with my earlier math and physics predictions that you will find highly energetic emissions (far beyond any measured and >10GeV) among the greatly succussed microdose; That energetic radiation output leads to exothermia and structuring as others have observed.  Many other things.  I have just tried to unify it all for you.  It's not a perfect unification and my math certainly needs some correction and rework in octonian algebra and hypergeometric functions, but does run closer to what's going on with the succussion & dilution mystery.

Mr. Randi, proving homeopathy is easy and child's play by any number of angles to anyone with half a brain.   Now arguing efficacy in comparison to Conventional Medicine?  Yes, you can still argue that in many cases.  In some areas, Allopathy is better able to serve the patient.  In most other realms -- usually the treatment and CURE of chronic disease -- homeopathy spanks them like the incompetent physicians they are compared to our craft.   In regard to the willy nilly dispensing and commercialization of all these soup mix, combination remedies on the market, or all these modern twits of homeopathy, or our lack of standardization in education and certification....yes, the efficacy of that can be debated; for it's often half-assed homeopathy prescribed in allopathic style.  And, you don't need pay any attention to all the genuine "voodoo" that often dwells at the deeper core of homeopathic philosophy and history regarding a Vital Force or the Vitalist physician way versus the Mechanist, etc.   No religion or belief in spirit required.  There's no magician trickery to it, unlike in your trade!  Your pals can still keep their militant atheism as skeptics and "scientists", and that's fine.

As for understanding the real science behind why the homeopathic remedy does work and seems to defy all common sense, it is simply that you and the others -- and most the world -- still live in a very old world of archaic "science";  The science of yesterday;  The Chemistry and Physics of decades ago.  The world lives in the high school Physics taught back in the 1950's!  And you're actually not supposed to know this stuff.  We don't want the world figuring out how to make boosted nuclear weapons with it.   We don't want man to figure out all the fun things he can do with a deeper understanding of Energy, Light, Time, Matter, Space, and Gravity.   While it would make all sorts of things possible -- stuff straight out of the sci-fi flicks; Genuine Star Trek and Star Wars stuff with Einstein speed limits laughed off as if the yapping of a foolish old man -- the world is far more likely to burn itself to the ground first. 

Bottom line:  If you don't understand why the homeopathic remedy works and just can't see it despite the many clues and reading references provided, that's because the world is designed for you to live like that, as the herded cow you are!  We don't want you thinking too much about how to tap energy from the nucleus of atoms, and all without any use of radioactive materials.  That's a bad thing in the wrong hands.   Yes, the world must be regulated and herded as obedient cows!  There is no other option for mankind to even survive another century as science advances.  

But, I propose to all of you oligarchs out there that you cannot properly enslave man or keep a herd of well-fattened cows that is at all profitable to the rancher where we carry sick beef.  Like the California dairy and cheese TV commercials:  "Happy, healthy cows!" are how it should be.  

The world is governed in secret and trashed continually by an oligarchy of commercial interests and bankers, with no doubts!  The case I argue here is that it is simply not profitable to keep sickly cows.  The healthy herd does not cost us money expended in medical insurance.  You can soak them with the HMO's by a thousand other means if they live long, prosperous, and rarely use the system.  The whole notion of medical insurance and socialist, Social Security systems are that we make the young and healthy pay for the sickly and old.  Right, President Obama?   And, all of your plunder and wealth, gentlemen of the banking elite, hinges upon keeping that herd fat, dumb, and happy! 

No, the world is not "over-populated".  What sane rancher does not want more cows to take to market?!  Breed and fatten them, you fools!  And homeopathy is actually vital to your very survival of germ warfare that will surely be carried out by the anarchistic, rebellious cattle the more you enslave them.  You need homeopathy just to retain control and dominion over the world, gentlemen.  You need it to assist in the eradication of global poverty at least up to a better state of fattened cattle on the feed lot.

Let the sickly and impoverished cows live and grow in peace, Mr. Randi.  Join the side of history that isn't with all these idiot Flatlanders and arrogant fools.  Take the side of Life and Truth, not arrogance and senility as another Archie Bunker of history.  And, if you've been like that, it's okay.  I was like that once, too.  I used to mock homeopathy, too.   You're just a cow, as I was.  You're supposed to just graze and drink and moo.   You're not supposed to think.  You're only tolerated as a "skeptic" and intellectual up to a certain point, mind you.   Cows who bust down fences....oh, those are always culled from the herd or loaded up on some train to the gulags unless they carry value as breeder bulls.   And what do you breed other than skepticism and pessimism?   Where is the wise investment in that?  Where are the millions and billions in future plunder? 

Same things that do this...


...are the same factors behind the propaganda against homeopathy.  But, it's bad business, dear bankers.   How far can you go with profit off of over-rated, crap tennis shoes? 

How can we enslave the world and have them cranking out our cheap tennis shoes when they don't even have the health to keep producing?   They don't have the money to buy into your costly system, Allopathy!  And the herded cows of the world don't all care for Freedom and American notions on Liberty.  All they want is to graze, and breed, and live, and die in peace as fattened up as possible.  Man is a very simple animal completely easy to enslave.  He will always choose security over Liberty, yet you don't even provide him that!  It just makes no sense for any empire in history to ever keep a mass of sickly slaves!  It spreads disease to the herder.  It leads to instability.  Governments are toppled.  Aristocratic elite are assassinated.   They'll come for you bankers eventually -- just like was done to the Twin Towers -- unless we keep the herd tamed,  pacified, stupid, and not hurting.

Freedom is for man to bleed over and secure if he values it enough and few do, but the physician's way is to just keep fixing up the herd.  Whether they be free or slaves, it does not matter to the physician.

So why would you help deny the global poor access to the only form of medicine they can afford, Mr. Randi?  And, global bankers, where is the profit in allowing that?  Feel the global demand for homeopathy that boils in the world.   Look among yourselves at those of you who use it and know its value.  Remember the fraternal brother to you that was pioneering Dr. Hahnemann.   The system you invest in and push upon the world cannot fix you or your silver spoon children when sick.  Our way does, and there's money to be made in supplying customer Demand.  You know that better than anyone where the "skeptics" and "scientists" of the world do not.   If you're looking to brew more evil in the world, only peace, global security, fattened up cows, economic and national stability, and the cure of human ailments does that best.  Only peace makes the finest Hell of all the world!  You boys know that like no other.

Happy cows are a great business!  That's why the allopaths jealously hate us; for we compete with their racket.  About time you invest in another course, ye world bankers.  Wise emperors and feudal lords have always invested in things that keep the herd and slaves strong.

Thank you and feed your sickly cows,

Doc Quack
..Humble servant of the empire.

Hi Wequar,

Yes, those things are very positive and encouraging.  It's nice to see out here.  Only problem is that some of the soup mix remedies and more willy nilly prescribing often isn't as effective and makes homeopathy look bad or dangerous.  Allopaths will attack there.  I spoke with a D.V.M. awhile back with colleagues into homepathy.  He was generally skeptical, but friendly.  He noted that, in their testing of Arnica for pain, it didn't show any difference.  I noted that, in some cases Arnica is fine.  In others -- such as arthritic goats -- often Bryonia and others is a better fit.  Right there from improper match you lose the ability to judge from the allopath's lense. 

So, all this naturopathic dosing with homepathics bothers me.   At the same time, some of the soup mixes are nicely designed to at least serve a broad range of symptoms in low potency enough that infrequent use does little harm, keeps customers happy, and continues to spread awareness that homeopathy actually does work.   The allopaths are starting to catch on that there's money to be made from it, and that's a good thing because it makes them friendly to us.   At the same time, the merger of homeopathy with allopathy is the very thing which near entirely destroyed the first generation of homeopathy in the USA by around 1930.  We must never trust it any more than one would trust a handshake and contract with the Devil! 

Dear members

well -- I suppose Mr Randi watches tely, listens to the radio and uses his mobile phone without having ever seen a radio wave with his own eyes, and he does not deny that it works because he cannot see radio waves --.
And that's about the height of it.

Are you guys aware of Dr. Rustum Roy's spectroscopy work? 

If not, I'll post some images.  There is no doubt that remedies different from other remedies or water.  All settled.  Then, there's Dr. Kumar's work.  There's my stuff, too.  It's all solved.   They are for real, not voodoo pellets.   We're still trying to understand exactly why they're like that, but that they are....no doubts.

Hi Astro,

I'm sorry to have ignored your question for so long.  I come in here on and off.  Threads escape me sometimes unless people yell at me by PM and point me to them.  Just stumbled upon this one while trying to recall a link from it.

I'm not sure if you're referring to Dr. Roy or Dr. Kumar's work there, but both are among the best proofs of homeopathy I've seen to date.  Dr. Roy's spectroscopy is the most conventionally understandable.  In fact, a couple of his charts you can find in my "Cheap and Easy Nuclear Spectroscopy 101" thread.  Clips of his other work are also found in my video with the vulgar red squirrel (YouTube.com/QuackCentral).    

Yes, Dr. Roy differentiated between remedies and controls. 

Dr. Kumar has also done it, though his apparatus and method is harder for most folks to understand because it's a more rare variant of spectroscopy. 

Then, there's my Cheap & Easy spectroscope which is very easy for anyone to assemble and understand, but which is based in very heretical understanding that our universe has a radiant energy all around us.  Regardless of origins, this "static electricity" amounts to about 200 Volts per meter of insulated wire in aerial antennae.   Radio engineers deal with it all the time and usually shunt to ground to protect equipment, but it is a means of deriving free "solar" energy both day and night.  Mostly, it originates from the sky being +++ and the earth being (- or negative).  Stick a load in between and you have a battery or capacitor there drawing power from mostly the ionsophere of the Earth.   And, that charge you can also pipe through a medium to obtain a different kind of spectral signature, which is the apparatus and experiment outlined in the thread and the vulgar squirrel flick.

...None of these things are all that earthshaking compared to the long list of scientific findings over nearly 300 years in favor of homeopathy, but the world is repeatedly filled with the corrupt or just plain arrogant idiots.

Astro,
I see water as a storage medium like a CD. You can wipe it by distillation and store another bit of homoeopathic info on it. Then you can wipe that again - ad infinitum. Water has no memory, just as your hard drive on the PC has no memory - it has space to store information.
You can format it and write completely dfferent information on it. You can run it with Windows, MacOs or Linux and use them one AFTER the other.
We can even make a mix in the crude and store that in water, like you can have all 3 operating systems running on 1 PC.

Kaviraj.

Oh, correction!  Just to be accurate:

You need a little more than just Transmission and Received spectra to determine Absorption.  That'll give a rough spectra, but the true Absorption spectra and a more accurate shape of the remedy, disease, or Vital Force can only be known more tightly when you take into account Reflectance spectra and Refraction spectra.

Transmission spectra----> Reflection + Refraction + Absorption spectra ---> Received spectra.

...Reflection generally just gives you loss of power to the received signal.  Refraction can alter things and change phases considerably, mostly in frequency shifts and loss of received power on the signal.  Absorption blocks it all out but also varies in amplitude of absorption.  The typical astronomical or physics emission line spectra studies in visible light are primitive spectroscopy.  You really need the oscilloscope graphs to tell you about absorption / transmission amplitude.   With all that taken into account, then you can have a more true remedy spectra in any particular band.  Of course, the electromagnetic band spans from 0 Hertz to an infinite frequency level as we move into the infinitely small.  So, at some point, you have to snip off the synthetic remedy spectra and use it.  Just like audio tape of a concert, it's never as good as the original.....but pretty close.   Just like some super cyborg of the future where we can just purchase an Angelina robot who cooks, cleans, and can be switched on and off with no nagging ....oh, you lose a little something in going from reality made by God to hokey man-made constructs.   But, I'll take my Angelina robot pushing a vacuum around ducky's place! 

...Before I had goats, I had one of those Israeli robot lawn mowers and that was too cool.  He'd get stuck in pot holes and on branches, but it was awesome to just push a button and have my lawn mowed.   My neighbor even has these little bots that vacuum and scrub their floors.   Put a dress on them and I'm happy.   Fetch me a beer, Angelina!