Peter Chappell

Interviewed by Alan V. Schmukler -->

AS: Have you found that PC1 or other PC remedies work prophylactically?

PC: Well this was a very interesting question and of course we already know this can happen in epidemic diseases as we have a lot of evidence about that, and Isaac Golden is the expert. Since I have pointed out that chronic diseases are based upon miasms which are based upon epidemic diseases which are based on viruses and bacteria etc. and the cutting-edge medical sciences are saying the same, it is perfectly reasonable to think that we can also treat chronic diseases prophylactically. Of course that wonderful remedy called Carcinosin has almost certainly worked prophylactically in thousands of cases of potential cancer already and this will be a wonderful area of research. I have published a case of virtually terminal cancer, cured by one dose of Carcinosin, with a seven-year follow up. The remedy PC Cancer, has been subject to a proving which shows it exactly targets cancer, and Carcinosin is also very well known and documented. It seems to me completely feasible to construct a study of say 100 well selected Carcinosin/cancer to-be cases over a period of say five years and compare that with a group of matched untreated cases and I can only imagine the result shall be rather remarkable.

AS: How about prophylaxis with the acoustic remedies?

PC: We also have a lot of evidence from the PC Herpes resonance, that it is highly effective in treating herpes, the moment the Tingle is felt. It quickly aborts the oncoming attack, just by listening to the download. We've had reports from many experienced homeopaths on this point. Now aborting an attack is not the same as prophylaxis but it is very close and I can only imagine that some people after hearing it, have not had an attack ever since. But I don't remember seeing a report like this and I can only imagine that people who had this effect with the herpes resonance either dismissed it out of hand or took a long time to report it and these are the early days. With herpes, it’s interesting to note that even experienced homeopaths, who normally greatly favor pills over downloads, are very happy to listen to the herpes download and notice that it works!

AS: Have you done any research in the prevention of AIDS?

PC: Regarding AIDS, I've often thought of the idea of proving that the AIDS resonance will act prophylactically. For example, it would be fairly easy to offer PC AIDS to a school in a local area in Africa, where the children are becoming sexually active. And then we could compare their results with a matched school in another area. In spite of all the education that goes on in these schools, about AIDS and condoms, and their attempts to supply condoms, it is still a reality that the children often sleep with the master to pass their exams. Such activities spread aids at an early age. However I can imagine a lot of ethical objections to such a study, so it's a question of finding a suitable situation and obtaining all the permissions and then the research would be possible.

An easier piece of research would be to use PC1, the AIDS resonance, to treat breast-feeding mothers, or even to treat them in the last month of pregnancy and throughout the breast-feeding. Currently breast-feeding infects about one third of the children and if PC AIDS was used this would probably reduce it a lot. That would be an easy piece of research, but once again it takes time and money and people to do it.

AS: I hope you can garner the resources to do this research. Another area you’ve become concerned with is bird flu. What approach are you taking to that potential problem?

PC: As I've pointed out on the website birdfluhealing.com and in various videos on Youtube and similar video sites, I think that bird flu is the greatest immediate threat to the human race right now. It seems to me a seriously ignored and unquantifiable threat. It looks like this could happen within a year or so or less and it could be very serious or less serious. Even with less serious, we’re talking in terms of hundreds of millions of deaths. It will be the first major catastrophe of the third millennium. So I have suggested the PC (acoustic)resonance for bird flu which is a free download and is something everybody should put on their computers and tell their friends about. It would, in theory, be easy to prove that it cures the birds themselves. All we need is a bunch of infected birds in a secure location, but that's not an easy thing to do either, unless you’ve got a lot of clout and a lot of money. And I am suggesting to people that they really do listen to it, to build up their resistance to bird flu. It looks to me a bit like malaria, where we don't have a lot of built-in resistance, so anything we can do to build up resistance is worth trying. The PC resonance for bird flu has got a be a possibility. Of course if you like the more conventional approach, you start eating influenzinum. From the many studies, prophylaxis is supposed to be about 95% effective, in the first six months. There is a lot of evidence to back this up, unless you're skeptical and scientifically narrow minded!

AS: Homeopaths are concerned with both effectiveness and safety. In terms of "first do no harm", what can you tell us about the safety record of second simillimum remedies? What potency are they closest to, 30, 200 etc? If there was a severe aggravation and one wanted to antidote, how would this be done?

PC: This is obviously an important question, as every homeopath has the luxury of a system of medicine that virtually does no harm, unless they are particularly stupid. This compares with the United States health-care system, which is twice as expensive as any other health care system in the world and which is reckoned to be the number one cause of death in the United States each year. Research shows that more than 50% of the patients in the United States are given substandard care and this results in a massive numbers of deaths.

When it comes to PC resonance for epidemic diseases, I have a lot of personal experience with AIDS and I never saw an aggravation or a complication and we have had no reports of serious complications on the resonances in epidemic diseases.

When it comes to PC resonances used for chronic diseases, especially degenerative chronic diseases which are well advanced and which often have stages of rapid declines and plateau's, and sometimes temporary remissions, it can be quite difficult to evaluate what is happening, when you give a PC resonance. In about 50% of the cases we know the PC resonance has a really beneficial effect when it’s combined with effective homeopathic individual remedies. The other 50% seem not to respond. But it is easy to imagine numerous reasons why this is so. And we have other reports that PC resonances are 80% effective. So in these early days we don't have enough information.

There are some cases of course, which are very debilitated and very exhausted as is found in things like chronic fatigue syndrome and in these cases we absolutely do recommend one dose and wait. We found in chronic fatigue, in very longstanding cases that had been treated homeopathically, over a fairly long period of time, that the cases relapsed back to the very first day when they had chronic fatigue symptoms (for a example to the flu vaccination effect, or to the fall, or accidental injury.) Generally speaking these people then pick up after a week or so, sometimes less, and further doses given judiciously bring about significant improvement, which is highly beneficial to the patient. This is not always true, but we don't have enough results to go on, to be sure.

AS: Do factors that sustain disease, confuse the issue of when the remedy is working and effective?

PC: There are many complications or complicating factors in chronic diseases, such as lifestyle. In the USA at the moment, there's this thing called the "metabolic syndrome" which supposedly affects 25% of the population which is really a lifestyle disease of junk food, junk water, no exercise and massive watching of TV. It is easy to imagine a lot of such people having chronic fatigue syndrome. On top of this there is the serious effect of long-term vaccination programs and the overuse of antibiotics (which has lead to immature immune systems) and the effects of masses amounts of electromagnetic radiation. It’s worth remembering that core bodies are electromagnetic structures vitalized by an energy that has not yet been measured. So it's easy to imagine, that in chronic fatigue syndrome and other degenerative diseases, there are many obstacles to cure and these are very hard to detect.

I imagine that to antidote vaccination effects would be pretty much the universal requirement and instigating sensible lifestyle another one. In such situations it would be foolish to give a PC resonance aimed at the disease without first addressing the lifestyle problems. Because the disease is an intelligent force which is trying its best to wake us up to the reality of being in a body and if everything we are doing is destroying the body, then telling it in such a direct way may not be the best procedure.

So as yet we don't have enough information and concrete feedback from experienced homeopaths, to be certain of what to say in this area about this question.

AS: Getting back to potencies and antidoting of PC remedies…?

PC: In regard to your question about which potencies PC remedies are closest to, I can't answer that, because I've tried to build into the resonances, the ability to self adjust to the problem.

Regarding antidoting in a severe aggravation, the best advice would be to wait. Personally I'm not aware that you can antidote even normal homeopathic remedies and the only policy I know of, is to treat the symptom picture that arises, or to go back to the original case and find the more exact Simillimum. The common idea that coffee antidotes homeopathic remedies is simply not true, since homeopathy is perfectly successful in countries which drink really strong coffee such as Ethiopia. In Ethiopia they take great pride in their coffee ceremonies and that stuff is really strong. It it certainly wired me up, as if I been supercharged, with just a few doses over a few days..

AS: A moment ago you mentioned the Bird Flu and presented your healing downloads (sound frequencies) as a solution. Using sound for healing has roots in chanting and drumming. In Bio- acoustics, as developed by Sharry Edwards, (U.S.), the patient's voice is analyzed by computer and the frequency patterns, including missing frequencies, non- coherent ones etc, indicate specific elements, minerals, organic compounds and even pathogens. In the treatment phase, bio- acoustic therapists feed back to the patient, balancing frequencies of sound. They also use sound frequencies directly, to render bacteria and viruses vulnerable to the immune system.

I was once a patient of a bioacoustic therapist and the sound had powerful effects. Could you comment on how that method and yours may be similar or different?.

PC: From what you describe about the work of Sharri Edwards, it looks like a profound new system of healing is evolving. The questions I have around it would be this. What is the modus operandi by which it works? I like to differentiate between health mechanics and holistic healing to a basic principle and practice. With the Rife machines for example, there were plenty of opportunities to treat people, but there was no modus operandi, is far as I could see, in treating the totality of the person or the disease.

With the Edwards system above, I like the idea of missing frequencies, but this is still disease mechanics. It seems to me like you’re doing things to people without really knowing what you're doing, as you have no guiding principle.

I knew a sacred architect in Egypt who had a specific sacred design for every defect of the body and once the defect was identified, he had a sacred shape to fix it. For example a defective heart valve. But basically he was a mechanic and he didn't understand healing.

Now the idea behind the vital disturbance or vital sensation is that you are treating the deepest disturbance within the human being, according to a principle which we call like cures like or resonance, which is the underlying phenomena. It's the same with treating diseases with PC resonances. Diseases are ancient and profound intelligences, which have real meaning on a human level. On an individual level, when we treat a disease as an entity residing in a human envelope, it has a profound effect, because it’s still treating according to resonance, which is the totality of the symptoms etc.

So my advice to the people developing the system of healing by Edwards would be, to look deeply into resonance, to see if they could figure a way of working from the basic principle of resonance and letting this determine the actual treatment they make. Otherwise they will just be acting to remove toxicities, which is fine and brilliant, but is not fundamental. So I am suggesting that they need to put some fundamental philosophic principles and practices behind what they do. I think that's the message of homeopathy in particular and the great strength of homeopathy, that there is a fundamental principle involved which guides every move and every practice. If I were to simplify my argument, it's like discovering potentized remedies, but having no clue how to use them!

As a practitioner of this therapy you might begin to build up all sorts of intuitive understanding of how to use it, but you don't have a basic principle. This is similar I think to when homeopathy is based on essence prescribing and which is similar to Bach flower remedies, which is working on the emotional level. It does not address the deeper levels necessarily, it may, but there's no guarantee. If the blockage is on the emotional level, which it often is, then that's fine. But then it only restores the person to normal and by being normal is how they got sick! So I think that's the lesson of every therapy that is not practiced deeply, according to some principles., It is superficial in its effect and while it may relieve suffering it doesn't cure the patient.

And your experience of this therapy is typical. Since you've had good homeopathic treatments and you still found these other treatments effective and profound, it shows either that the homeopathy you've had has not been profound and or that the homeopaths were not able to perceive the depths of the human condition. However hard they tried, they were still missing vital parts of the healing process and perhaps, the obstacles to cure.

AS: Do you see limits to just treating the vital disturbance?

PC: If there's been, for example, the systematic use of antibiotics in childhood for some typical childhood disease which has been repeatedly suppressed, this leads to an under functioning for life. I'm not convinced that the vital disturbance treatment will in fact address this problem. I think the vital disturbance method will make the best of what is now available but it will not open up potential, where this has been specifically shut down by a medical procedure.

And it may well be that something targeted on that medical procedure, be it a special tone to amplify that which is missing or at low level, or a PC resonance aimed at their old disease toxicity, will restore full functioning what was shut down. I have seen this happen. It's not that I think homeopathy can't do this, but unless we take a broader view of how mind/ body ego works and how it can be shut down and limited, we are not going to fully develop human potential, just by using core methods of homeopathy,. We had to consider the damage to the development of the organism that happened on multiple levels. We know for example, that in the United States they now have this "metabolic syndrome" that affects perhaps a quarter of the population. It’s a lifestyle disease and such crazy lifestyle dramatically affects health

I also know that lots of homeopaths do this approach by drainage and herbal tonics and organ tonics and various devices for under functioning, but I'm not sure this is truly effective, because again, it is not based on resonance. I think it's likely that it has a temporary effect since it leaves the vital pattern of dysfunction in place. But it's a lot better than not dealing with the problem at all, which is what could happen when using the vital disturbance or essence prescribing. What I like about the vital sensation or vital disturbance methods and the PC methods together is that this allows what I think is a classical approach to everything. Whatever the obstacle to cure, there is a classical way of dealing with that. It works on a deeper level, and is not just a tonic.

Having said that I really like new technology and I think the fact that a bio-acoustic diagnosis can show up deficiencies, indicates yet another way by which we could monitor homeopathic effectiveness. And this is a whole new area where some fantastically interesting research could be carried out. It would be very interesting to see how the methods I've described above, what I call the classical methods using the vital disturbance and PC resonances, work and develop the bio-acoustic pattern of the person. I would really encourage that area of research.

In particular this could be a very interesting addition to working with aids in Africa. It’s common in Africa that the person is suffering from multiple diseases simultaneously and this really affects the outcome of the treatment. A person can literally drop dead from one day to the next and you don't know why. So having a diagnostic system that could highlight pathological diseases of an epidemic type would be highly beneficial and I will pass this information on to my research colleagues

AS: In spite of all the precedent for healing with sound, the idea of listening to a jazz ensemble as bird flu approaches, may be too large a leap for many people (even homeopaths.). Could you build us some conceptual bridges?

PC: As far as I can see the healing downloads approach (acoustic remedies) is completely unique and new and there is nothing else like it although there are few things, like the ones above you could confuse it with.

The essence of healing downloads, which is the same as vital remedies, is that you have an exact, focused resonance, applied to a specific disease, problem or trauma.

You could say that listening to music is like an immune booster. Obviously lots of people love listening to music and they feel better from it, but as a rule while it may help them stay well and happy and healthy, it won't be exactly focused on any particular problem. It's a general immune booster like Echinacea or running or a good dance or whatever you love doing that’s good for you. This is something very general and not at all similar to doing something that is very specifically focusing on the pathology.

So I'm trying to make sure we don't beat around the bush here by pretending this is something similar to that which is already known. As far as I can see it is not.

From a homeopathic point of view, to put pills under the tongue which transfer information into the body, is sort of fixed within the model of biochemistry, but I don't really believe that. The only reason we have a pill is because you can physically hold it and put in your mouth. One atom would be just as good, but we can't do that practically. The homeopathic pill has nothing to do with chemistry, it's all to do with information carried electromagnetically into the body. Nothing can convince me that the normal homeopathic remedy has anything to do with pharmacology. So I don't see a lot of difference between putting the information into the body through the nerves of the mouth which is orally, and putting the information into the ear on a carrier just like a pill, but obviously into the ear it has to be a sound, as that's the way the ear works as against the taste buds. So I don't see a lot of difference between orally and aurally.

Because PC resonances are made from information related to the totality of the disease or dysfunction, they have real advantages in that the information is already separated from any substance and can be implanted in a whole range of ways. The homeopathic method of preparation by potentization doesn't have a method of transferring information into the body except via pills and drops and smell, and while that is very acceptable and conventional and appealing to the average person who loves pills in the mouth, it is not very flexible and doesn't allow other methods of delivery.

I think anybody would agree that treatment with acupuncture needles can have a very similar effect to treatment with a homeopathic pill. Likewise reflexology and emotional freedom techniques which use tapping of the skin in specific locations, and lots of other healing systems, just do not use pills.

I think it's a slightly crazy idea analogue, but if you were to bang the remedy bottle on a tuning fork the tuning fork might then possibly contain the sound that heals, engrafted upon its natural tone. There are plenty of experiments for example that show there is no non-living matter and I especially like the one of the random robot who is attracted to some chicks who think he's their mother! If you were to try and tell me that banging a remedy on the tuning fork would have no effect whatsoever, I would say you are definitely wrong. I would say that after that process, there would be some healing effect from listening to the tuning fork if the remedy which was banged was appropriate to the listener, i.e. resonant to their problem and carried on the natural frequency of the tuning fork. It might not be a very efficient transfer of information, but you couldn't say it was zero and since we're talking about resonance here, a faint resonance might be just as effective as strong one.

In fact, it is very easy to prove the effectiveness to yourself if you have a minor complaint, like herpes, which is an epidemic disease and logically quite difficult to cure using the first Simillimum, because you're not addressing it directly by its totality. If you were to take the pills for the herpes resonance you would see that they are probably effective. And if you were to try the download of the herpes and listen you would find the same. I know it's a huge shift in the mind especially for a mineral type of person, because it's not hard material facts and substance, but the fact is, there is nothing more convincing than trying it for yourself. The healing downloads allow you a free trial on anything of your choice and I do not believe there is any better proof than that.

AS: What do you think will change people’s opinions about homeopathy and your work in particular?

PC: I think one day there might be double-blind controlled trials and lots of statistics, but that sort of thing is not very convincing, as most people have very strong prejudices against new things. It's fairly obvious that the medical profession is hugely biased against homeopathy for various reasons and no amount of science is going to change that until it’s indisputable. By that I mean, there would be absolutely concrete ways of measuring the effects of homeopathic remedies. But what will change opinions, is to try it. All that science is doing is breaking down resistances.

Jacques Benveniste died of a broken heart when he failed to convince the world about homeopathic potency, but since then, underneath the surface, science is still moving in that direction and eventually it will erode the prejudice against homeopathy.

So one of the points I'm making is that resistance to healing downloads(acoustic) is a matter of prejudice. I have a funny story about this. I had a colleague in Africa who was very happy with PC1 for AIDS and I equipped him with some MP3 players so he could try out my (acoustic) downloads of AIDS and malaria. But he would not do it, because it was a step too far. So I had to fly out to this remote part of Africa and stand over him while he tried it. There was no risk involved, because, if it did not work he could quickly switch to something that did, like the pills. Anyway, he tried it for a person with AIDS and she recovered exactly as if she had been taking the pills. In about 17 days she was fully restored to health. And likewise a man with malaria, in the beginning of an acute stage, listened to the malaria download for about 30 minutes one evening, after which he felt better and was completely well next morning, which just doesn't happen with the conventional medical pills. It seemed to me to nip it in the bud.

Healing Downloads, in my way of thinking, has so many advantages. The delivery is so easy, as there is no pharmacy and e-mail is instant. In an epidemic of the type we are expecting with bird flu, I think it might prove to be the only realistic option for millions of people. After all, you could just broadcast it on the BBC!

Here is post script to your question about homeopaths, who you infer are open-minded. While it's true to a limited extent that there has to be some sort of spiritual awareness or some sort of awareness to become a homeopath, I don't think homeopathy is particularly unconventional and in my observation there are a lot of normal conventional people practicing homeopathy. You could even say that some of them are very conventional indeed, and nothing wrong with that. I imagine that in every profession there are those who are fixed to the past, those who modernize, those at the cutting edge, and those beyond the fringe, like me. Within the medical fraternity, those who practice homeopathy in some countries have a very strong urge to be seen as conventional and they do everything to tow the line and appear to be extremely conservative. I have noticed even in England, that some homeopathic organizations will not even print reviews of my books! And certainly not an article from me! Yet their members are very happy to attend seminars when I give them. It seems that the organizations too often become very conservative and do not reflect what is going on amongst the membership.

AS: In your article "Trauma" in this issue, you state that trauma is behind much of the suffering in the world. Do you see your PC Trauma remedies as a means of combating this eternal human condition?

PC: Well I think trauma is a hidden aspect within homeopathy and it explains a lot of what is behind the rubrics in the repertory and what’s in the materia medica. I think that trauma is there, right in the thick of all the information. By identifying and clarifying it, we will make homeopathy a lot more understandable.

Obviously if we can treat trauma directly, it opens up a new way of treating people and a way of focusing on these issues. In my experience, it’s sometimes a great opening to treat trauma and then behind that, the vital dysfunction becomes clear. And I'm sure vice versa also occurs.

What I am questioning in myself, is why we treat shock for example, by differentiating it according to the response. It seems to me that there is an underlying phenomena and by treating that, we can resolve all the different responses. At the same time that seems a bit allopathic, if not very allopathic, but the advantage in a situation like Rwanda, is that you could treat the whole country en masse and the trauma would resolve en masse. That’s something that is very difficult to do if you individualize the treatment in a country without homeopaths and in a language that a visiting homeopath will not know, not to mention having millions of patients. The treatment of mass trauma is an interesting new field of human endeavor, and at the moment there are many obstacles to implementation, but these may dissolve in time.

Certainly the trauma remedies are very effective and allow a much easier way of treating trauma when the trauma is known. For example the use of PC Evil in the case of paranoid schizophrenia resulting from the Nazi occupation, is both easy to apply and effective in action.

AS: There's certainly resistance to your PC remedies and downloads. But you also have ardent supporters. Can you tell us about some of the people, groups, NGO's or government's agencies that share your passion?

PC: Well there is a team of us at the hub, without there being any official organization, except we now have a foundation called the Amma Resonance Healing Foundation, which holds the copyright of the resonances appropriate to Africa. We have had a lot of support from our close colleagues, including ones in India and Japan and California and the USA generally and in Holland especially and in the Czech Republic and many other places, especially in Africa. Otherwise, to be honest, I'm not sure who our ardent supporters are, as I have no way of knowing who buys our remedies and resonances as pills and drops. Obviously we do know some people who give us feedback, but likewise, lots of people use them without ever telling us, which is fine, but it means we don't know who they are.

It seems to me that we've met resistance at every step and that people are much happier with what they already know, than taking on something new. This is natural. I met even greater resistance to the Downloads, as this was even more unfamiliar territory. And obviously the secrecy around the manufacturing is detrimental to their acceptance. Having said all that, there are quite a lot of people who are open-minded enough to try them and some of them have had considerable success.

These are early days and considering the amount of new ideas and fresh concepts, I think were making quite good progress in a slow and steady fashion. It would be good if it was adopted a bit more, as then we would have more money with which to do more things. In the beginning, it was completely a labor of love, and I loved it, and now it's still a question of quiet persistence, without enough resources. But that may be my psychology limiting what I can do! I am obviously a man on a mission and in my estimation we've only made the beginning steps and there is a lot more to be accomplished. Every year we make these steps forward and I can't see this is going to stop, as new possibilities keep opening up.

AS: I want to thank you for all you've shared with us. You've probably evoked as many questions as you've provided answers, and that's a good sign. Your remedies remain a mystery, but then so is homeopathy. Arthur Clarke said that any technology that is sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic. So perhaps that's where we are. I hope everyone will experiment with your remedies and see for themselves, what kind of magic is there.

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