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Do you think homeopathy can help in the current swine flu pandemic?

 

Yes (15.6 %) 1950 votes
No (80.9 %) 10137 votes
Can't say (0.7 %) 91 votes
Yes, but won't be allowed to! (2.8 %) 351 votes

Total votes #: 12529
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Homeopathy more marketing than medicine

When discussing homeopathy people often get sidetracked discussing the strange and implausible mechanism - and lose sight of the question of whether or not it works . If it works (regardless of how strange it would) it will have a statistically detectable effect - which will become clearer and clearer as more studies are done, the better well designed the studies are, and the larger the sampling. As it stands, the beneficial effects disappear as better methodology is employed, or the sample sizes increase, or when replications are done (if not all 3). The benefits seen are probably nothing more than statistical noise, and non-significant. Homeopathy is more marketing than medicine.

If Homeopathy worked it would cease to be "alternative medicine" and become just "medicine." Shouting about conspiracy theories shows an unwillingness to engage in honest debate over evidence. Besides, if someone could show homeopathy is effective (with solid evidence) they would win a Nobel Prize, for they would have not just thrown into doubt what we know about medicine, but physics, chemistry, hydrodynamics, etc. Scientists love it when new mysteries are discovered - it's a new starting point to discover new things!

I'll be called closed-minded if you must, but I have looked impartially at the available evidence and found it uncompelling. Real closed-mindedness is refusing to examine the evidence for or against your beliefs, and cling to demonstrably outmoded ideas. It's time to let go of ideas which do not hold water, and go in search of better ones.

Al

Unlikely there is anything to homeopathy. Not likely the such extreme dilutions can work, and it seems most experimentation backs that up.

Andrew Ridgley

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25427280-5001021,00.html

Parents deny their baby actual medical treatment for an incredibly common, easily treatable condition and use homeopathy instead. Baby dies.

If adults want to waste their money on this rubbish, that's their right. But people who use homeopathy on their children risk killing their children.

Oh dear, does saying that make me a 'troll'?

Steve Jeffers

'I hope your paymasters give you a nice bonus'

Doctor Golden, of course, is not motivated by money, but by happy chance he will sell you copies of his nine books, here: http://www.homstudy.net/publications/index.htm and for only three hundred dollars he'll flog you 'THE AURIC REPLICATOR, A world first - designed to make potencies of the negative (lower sub-plane) material in the energy bodies of patients.'

And he has a PhD, but he's not a medical doctor or anything like that. Swinburne University of Technology isn't a medical school. They do have a course in Business Administration (Medical), though.

Steve Jeffers

'Homoeopathic Essence is Individualization.'

It's not, though, is it?

Homeopathy offers exactly the same remedy for every single medical condition - a sip of water. And if people want to go to someone who is pretending to be a doctor - or in some cases, as we've seen here *fraudulently misrepresenting themselves* as a doctor - and spend a great deal more money than they would on medicine on tapwater ... that's their right, it's a free country.

Except when it's vulnerable people, like advanced cancer patients or the whole population being conned.
There comes a point where homeopathy's game of let's pretend has deadly consequences. You can't cure swine flu with homeopathy. If you attempt to, you are putting millions of people at risk.



H/Dr Syed Abid Ali Zaidi

Homoeopathic Essence is Individualization.
its deal with symptoms and able to coure
homoeopathy is Panacea
I love it very much because i know it

Ranga

Homeopathy does benifit.

If a few skeptics think it cant, its their limitation, not of the system.

STFU!

"So the entire USA could be immunised homoeopathically against swine flu for about 40 million. This could be completed by end of May if there was a political will to do it."

"Dr" Golden, you are either gullible or being deliberately misleading. I wouldn't want to accuse you of the latter, so let's say you're gullible. The say so of Cuban (ffs) doctors is not peer reviewed scientific research. Btw, you don't know what a control group is, right?

As for correlations, did you know that the number of seafaring pirates has decreased as the average global temperature has risen? Conclusion: We need more pirates, aaargh.

Compared to your Cuban "success" (Do you understand anything of politics, btw?) *that* correlation is practically proven.

Isn't it amazing that 2.4 million people *didn't* get Weil's disease?

Uh, no.

Homeopathy=water. Water is good for you, but IT WILL NOT CURE SWINE FLU.

Steve Jeffers

'Are the pseudo-scientists among the skeptics aware of the results of the homoeopathic immunisation of 2,400,000 people in 2007'

Yes. That was in Cuba.

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/01/hasta-el-absurdo-siempre.html

They used homeopathy and it showed good results.

They didn't run it as an experiment, with controls and proper statistical analysis.

Oh ... nearly forgot. As well as homeopathy, the Cuban government were also, at the same time using:

1. A systematic program of rodent control.
2. A systematic program of educating the public about the symptoms.
3. The vaccine Vax-Spiral.

But, of course, those couldn't possibly have had any effect.

As for 'paymasters' ... homeopaths don't give away their tap water for free. The Cubans got charged millions of dollars for tapwater by homeopaths.


Steve Jeffers

Susan Gruffen said:

'My license was never issued thanks to close-minded bureaucrats. I do practice as a Chiropractor, though.'

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Do you tell your patients that? And, seeing as you're not a doctor, why do you style yourself 'Dr Susan Gruffen MD'?

'When the astronauts went into outer space, they only brought homeopathic medicine with them. When they returned to Earth, they were as fit as fiddles, despite the radiation and rays of Space.'

Sorry ... it took *one second* for Google to debunk that one.

http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2CH6.htm

So that's another lie.


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